17 November 2015

Why would a good God allow evil to exist?

Why would a good God allow evil to exist?

hard questions

A1 Definitions

B1 Good

C1 Something comfortable

C2 Something that eases pain

C3 A lack of disasters

C4 Something that relives sorrow and unrest. We might have to call this happiness and peace.

C5 Something that is pleasant

C6 Something that obeys God's laws

C7 Something that I like or approve of (this would be the real life daily application to ourselves)

B2 God

C1 Something or someone who is better or stronger than us.

C2 An imaginary being that has complete control

C3 Someone who is excellent in what they do as in looks, sports, music, etc.

C4 Something or someone who is admired by us as money, etc.

C5 Yahweh

D1 Attributes (a few. for more see here or here

E1 Eternal

E2 Faithfulness

E3 Foreknows

E4 Good

E5 Holy

D2 Some more attributes

E1 Omnipotent

E2 Omnipresent

E3 Omniscient

B3 Allow--give permission

B4 Evil

C1 Something uncomfortable

C2 Something painful

C3 A disaster as a powerful storm, fire, trauma

C4 Something that causes sorrow and unrest

C5 Something unpleasant

C6 Something that breaks God's laws

C7 Something that I don't like or approve of (this would be the real life daily application to ourselves)

B5 Exist--The state or fact of being objectively real. WordWeb definition for existence.

A2 Notes

B1 The formal statement

C1 The common version

D1 If an all-good, all-knowing, all-loving, all powerful God exists, then evil (suffering) does not exist.

D2 Evil exists.

D3 Therefore, an all-good, all-knowing, all-loving, all powerful God does not exist. (Reference)

C2 The detailed version (Reference)

D1 God exists.

D2 God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

D3 An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.

D4 An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence, and knows every way in which those evils could be prevented.

D5 An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.

D6 A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

D7 If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

D8 Evil exists (logical contradiction).

B2 Adam in his sinlessness states might have thought it evil to not be allowed to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

B3 But in our normal usage of the word we would understand that God pronounced a curse upon creation, because Adam disobeyed God.

B4 This curse resulted in

C1 Death

C2 Pain

C3 Guilt

C4 Fear

C5 Lying

C6 Blaming

C7 Hate

C8 Sorrow

C9 Marital troubles

B5 Who and what suffers?

C1 Everything in the universe

C2 All humans including Messiah Himself, Jesus, who suffered under Pontius Pilate and was nailed to a cross.

B6 Even knowing all this, the question still remains why would God allow such suffering if He was good and loving?

C1 Free will

D1 Negative

E1 Evolutionist, naturalists, and others do not believe in free will. They essentially believe that we are a bag of chemicals with sensors to the environment. We respond to stimuli from the environment differently, uniquely, which makes us different.

E2 The Calvinist believes much the same way. God is such a sovereign that He allows no free will (that is, an alternate choice or even to resist). He decrees all things and all things come to pass. There is no alternative. There is no resistance (unless God decreed resistance). Calvinist view. Arminian view. Calvinist view of compatibilism.

D2 Positive

E1 Typically a person believes in real free will, that is, one can make a true choice, can resist, and can change their mind.

E2 The Bible teaches a true free will that can make contrary choices and can resist. This free will is limited, not complete. There are many things we want but cannot. Explained better here and here.

C2 Love

D1 Defined

E1 General

F1 tender and passionate affection for another person--Wordsymth

F2 a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.--Dictionary dot com

E2 Bible

F1 Hebrew

G1 אהב / אהב 'âhab / 'âhêb This is love for people as family and sexual. It is also love for objects as food etc. Song of Solomon 1:7 and Genesis 27:9 as examples. H157

G2 חשׁק châshaq This is love as in desire. Deuteronomy 7:7, Psalm 91:14, and 1 Kings 9:19 as examples. H2836

F2 Greek

G1 ἀγαπάω agapaō This is the highest love, the love of choice. John 3:16 and Ephesians 5:25 as examples. G25

G2 φιλέω phileō This is the love of friend for friend. Matthew 6:5 (love standing where all can see them praying) and John 21:17 G5368

G3 ἔρως érōs This is sexual love whether God blessed or God cursed.

G4 ἄστοργος astorgos This is in the negative. (στοργή storgē is the word natural affection). Natural affection would be a parent's love for their children. 2 Timothy 3:3 G794

D2 Articles here and here

C3 Faith

D1 Defined

E1 What it is.

F1 It is believing God.

F2 When Jesus states that He is coming again (John 14:3), so He will. Paul believed this (2 Thessalonians 2:1).

E2 What it is not.

F1 Believing what we want to believe.

F2 "God told me so." "I feel in my spirit that it will happen." These things are based on our wants and physical experiences.

D2 Examples--Genesis 15:6, Jonah 3:5, Matthew 21:32, etc.

C4 Test

D1 Why? To see if they really do believe God. God knows, but people do not know until we are tested.

D2 Results

E1 Failure

E2 Success

B7 Atheist

C1 First reference

D1 Definition of evil

E1 Philosophically speaking, let's define evil in one of two ways. Evil could be defined as the opposite of good or as the absence of good. (Problem--what is the definition of good?--editor).

E2 That third definition of evil that I alluded to earlier addresses this issue. I talk about it more in depth in here. But to make a long story short, good and evil are human constructs. When we are talking about evil in this context we are not talking about some supernatural force. We are not talking about the character of Satan or his plans. Good and evil are not actual forces in the world acting on human beings. These are concepts create by people to help us interact with each other and the world around us. There are no all-powerful gods who are willing or able to stop suffering. We as human beings must stop suffering on our own. (Problem: what is the definition of good. Evidently by this author every human being will have their own definition or some world political/philosophical body will define good and evil. He still does not answer the question of what is evil and why is there evil--editor).

E3 Human compassion is the atheist solution to the problem of evil. (Problem--there still is no answer of why there is evil. There is only a response to a problem. A Christian would offer the same solution--editor).

C2 Second reference The author and other authors (links on the page to other responses to the problem of evil) no definition of evil or good is given. There is no answer to the question of why? There are only responses to theists positions or arguments. (I did not read each article that is linked, so there may be an author who does define good and evil. Judging by the articles titles, the only answer they have is "theists are wrong").

B8 Theists

C1 Plantinga's Free Will Defense

D1 Argument

What might God's reason be for allowing evil and suffering to occur? Alvin Plantinga (1974, 1977) has offered the most famous contemporary philosophical response to this question. He suggests the following as a possible morally sufficient reason:

(MSR1) God's creation of persons with morally significant free will is something of tremendous value. God could not eliminate much of the evil and suffering in this world without thereby eliminating the greater good of having created persons with free will with whom he could have relationships and who are able to love one another and do good deeds. (reference)

D2 Problem

E1 No answer to the question, "Why did God create free will," nor "what is free will?"

E2 No answer to the question, "Why is there evil and suffering?" The solution offered assumes good and evil just exist.

B9 Defining good and evil

C1 Most define good and evil as the above (A1 B1 and B4)

C2 God's definitions

D1 Good Micah 6:8, Deuteronomy 10:12, Matthew 19:17,

D2 Evil. This would be not doing in thoughts, desires, words, and deeds what God requires. What God requires is the way He lives His life.

D3 Both good and evil demand a standard.

E1 Breed standards for animals, for example, the Labrador Dog and here For cattle here for example.

E2 God has standards, too. Consider the summary of the 613 Old Testament commandments is the Ten Commandments. In the New Testament that are over 1,000 rules. Here are some examples. We are NOT to

F1 Tempt the Lord (Matthew 4:7; Luke 4:12)

F2 Kill (Matthew 5:21; 19:18; Luke 18:20; Romans 13:9)

F3 Commit adultery (Matthew 5:27-28; 19:18; Luke 18:20; Romans 13:9)

F4 Pray to be seen of men (Matthew 6:5)

F5 Steal (Matthew 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 13:9)

F6 Bear false witness (Matthew 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 13:9)

F7 Covet (Romans 13:9)

C3 Can God only do good?

D1 Depends on how one defines good.

D2 Omnipotency in God is defined by many as all powerful in the sense that God can do anything as "can god create a rock so heavy than he cannot lift it" and other omnipotent paradoxes.

E1 Some demand this according to their definition of omnipotence. God is a being, not an abstract thought, force, superman, or alien.

F1 Be a liar, but cannot lie.

F2 Be a murderer, but cannot murder.

F3 Can do a and not a at the same time.

E2 Some things God cannot do.

F1 He cannot lie. Numbers 23:19, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18

F2 He cannot deny Himself. 2 Timothy 2:13, James 1:17 (The idea of deny Himself is we may apostatize, but He is consistent and does not turn away from what He is).

F3 God has some characteristics, personality traits, that are consistent and cannot be otherwise.

B10 Why does God allow what we consider evil, bad, uncomfortable, pain, sorrow, death, loss, destruction, etc.?

C1 What God says is in the Bible.

C2 The first use of the word evil is And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (Genesis 2:9, NKJV)

C3 Evil existed before, however, because the devil has already rebelled. Ezekiel 28:12-19, Isaiah 14:12-14 (No earthly could ever be described as such).

C4 Why did the devil do evil? (Evil here is defined as rebellion against God. Ezekiel 28:15). He was proud. His business or merchandise is slander. Some people's occupation is an evil activity. For example an assassin. Pride was the downfall. He thought he was better than he really was.

C5 God wants volunteers to serve Him. Exodus 25:1-2, 1 Corinthians 9:17, 1 Peter 5:2, Philemon 1:14, etc.

C6 God makes resistance possible. Acts 7:51, 2 Timothy 3:8, James 4:7, etc.

B11 It should be noted that God is so powerful, so sovereign, that He CAN decree, allow, a libertarian free will. This is not a sovereign free will but a limited free will. Some use the illustration of a pasture where the cattle can roam wherever they wish but cannot go out of the fence. Some use the illustration of a dog on a rope tied to a stake or tree. The dog can go wherever he will but is limited in extent by the rope. A libertarian free will allows for genuine resistance in choices.

B12 Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, also suffered evil from being tired, to being thirsty, to being mocked, hit, and crucified, but there was a reason.

B13 The book of Job shows the problem of suffering, trying to understand why, and God's solution.

A3 Other's articles

B1 How can a good God allow evil?

B2 The problem of evil

B3 The problem of evil

B4 Why the problem of evil is a problem

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